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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 675

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for the 12th of september 2021

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richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia

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and a quick uh

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mention of the recent

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yesterday

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here in australia or today in the united

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states with time zones it's always a bit

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strange of 9 11 of course 20 years ago

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and i will make a passing comment

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in that all the coverage i've seen on tv

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in the last few days a few weeks really

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and even today

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there's been not one mention

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of the trufa movement

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and that's so good to see

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these people have had their time in the

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as history moves on

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they are being left behind and a good

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place for them to be

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what a sad period in

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history for many reasons

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and especially for the

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victims of 9 11

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but a sad period where

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truth of movement held such sway for

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such a long time well certainly got

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media attention

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but what's coming up on this week's

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episode of the skeptic zone an interview

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with my old friend brian dunning from

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skeptoid.com

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the popular long-running skeptical

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podcast

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brian's going to be telling us

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about bigfoot yes bigfoot has been

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spotted in brian's own front yard

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believe it or not

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what's the truth behind this we will

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find out and also brian updates us

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on his documentary science friction

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which has been in production for some

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time

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and people are wondering

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why it hasn't been released yet

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we'll get the

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inside information

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from brian himself coming up at the top

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of the show

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following that it's the australian

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skeptic's newsletter read very well i

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must say read very well by adrian hill

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in canada sort of makes sense doesn't it

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an australian skeptic's newsletter read

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from canada it's the modern world why

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not

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and after that we dive once more into

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that treasure trove at trove

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and we look for

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references

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to the word psychic

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and the word

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spoon

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and i think this week we go further

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afield than australian newspapers

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but you'll be surprised

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at some of the returns we find when we

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search for psychic and spoon

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then to round off the show it's the new

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hit single from the musician nathan

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eggins the sound

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a duck makes and you can check out

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nate's website at

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but a very groovy way to end this week's

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episode a big shout out to all those

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people having birthdays this week happy

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birthday to you

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look in your

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post box you never know

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somebody

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might have sent you a card

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and stay tuned at the end of the show

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for more announcements from me

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs

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and today i think i'll just have a nice

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why not while i'm doing that i hope you

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finally tonight a ben mann is now the

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proud owner of bigfoot or at least a

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bigfoot carving urban legends and

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conspiracy theories have always been

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fascinating to brian dunning he hosts a

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podcast called skeptoid which is aimed

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bigfoot here is really thematic for me

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urban legends and and mysteries and

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conspiracy theories and bigfoot is the

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kind of story that i talk about all the

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time so it was just kind of it was a

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moral imperative for me to have a

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there you go the fine chainsaw artist

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mosquito bob created the statue from a

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log on dunning's property the gigantic

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sasquatch took several weeks to complete

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and dunning happily received it

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yesterday eight and a half feet tall

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it's believed to be the largest bigfoot

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bigfoot right there yeah mosquito bob

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nice work nice work yeah i know i'm

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bigfoot to me serious mccullough

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and joining me now on the line all the

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way from bend oregon the only man i know

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with a big foot in his yard and is it

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real or not we'll find out it's brian

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dunning hello brian hello richard how

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are you sir i'm doing very well er you

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like the rest of uh this state we're in

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lockdown and sydney in particular is not

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doing too well over the last month or so

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with the coronavirus we hope there are

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better days ahead and i certainly look

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forward to the promises being made that

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double vaxxed people will be able to

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travel internationally and my first port

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of call would probably be bend oregon to

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see your bigfoot what the hell brian

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what inspired you to put a giant bigfoot

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in your yard so we had a we had a big

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thing and so i've got this perfect thing

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necessity because i had this stump and

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something like that so it's it's pretty

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translations but i'll take your word for

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it it's big all right

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it's in the it's in the ballpark and now

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cut down is still there

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short question right in a way i mean

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it's just amazing you must be the only

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pacific northwest and so they sell them

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pre-molded bigfoot that i'm not even

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sure what it's made of but but this

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one's proper chainsaw art from a proper

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pacific northwest pine tree so i think

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it's i think it's better

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i'm envious i wonder if having that in

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then uh it it is a decoy that's secretly

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my my plan for having it here yes

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i just like you say though i mean i i

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did grow up reading all the bigfoot

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books that's that's how i got to where i

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am today by being 10 years old and

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reading all the books on the bermuda

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triangle and bigfoot and ghost stories

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and and everything else and um i've

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middle of the state up through the

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sierras and everything i've always

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wanted one of these bigfoot statues

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because uh they've got them all over the

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place in in in the pacific northwest and

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you know there's some that are very

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and this one is is respectable it's a

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respectable addition to the crowd of

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famous bigfoot statues and i'm i'm

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pretty stoked to have it it's very

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thematic for what i do it is it's a

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decent effort it really is it's no

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funny sculpture or anything it's a giant

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the era wasn't it yeah yeah very much

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as i say i look forward to visiting it

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uh we were chatting about your

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impressive so far what's an update a

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possible update you can give us about

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that project and a quick overview for

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those who may not know about it so

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science friction is our first

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full-length feature documentary movie

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you know made for a wide mass market

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distribution

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so it should be on all the streaming

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services and everything

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it's about

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scientists who are misquoted and edited

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out of context on these tv channels

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to make it seem like the scientists are

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saying yes why science we do think that

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aliens built the pyramids or whatever it

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might be

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uh so we've got an hour and a half or

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hour and 40 minutes of of interviews

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with scientists to whom this has

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happened and i i think it's a fantastic

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i think it's fantastic movie it's

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because it's scary you know i think

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someone watching this movie they're

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going to come out of the theater being

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angry at what the tv networks are doing

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to them and that's the idea

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so

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to make a

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for for the benefit of your listeners

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who like me have no idea what's involved

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in getting a feature film distributed

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what um the first thing you have to have

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a

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your distributor from

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claims of infringement or defamation now

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anyone who makes a documentary film they

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have to do this and you have to get it

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from one of a limited number of

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insurance companies that are like you

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know quote unquote approved by the

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entertainment industry

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and the first thing those insurance

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companies want you to have

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is a letter from an entertainment law

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firm

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again one of a limited number of

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entertainment law firms that are

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approved by the entertainment industry

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that says something like in our opinion

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uh this this movie doesn't present any

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so we went out we got that letter that

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took us over a year to get that letter

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the movie's been done for like three

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years now

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um and it's incredibly frustrating not

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only to me

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but mainly to the donors who

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um granted all of the funds that were

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used to produce the movie

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um that that it's still not available

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for anyone to watch the reason it took

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us so long to get the law firm was

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because every law firm in town had a

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conflict of interest because we

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criticized so many studios and tv

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networks in the movie that everyone had

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a conflict of interest but we finally

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found one that didn't

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they wrote us a great letter we took it

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out to all the insurance companies and

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we got denied by all of them wow and not

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a single one of them would get back to

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us with here's the scene that we think

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is risky right and just by talking to

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them it it it became clear that they're

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not going to ensure a movie that

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criticizes all of their other clients

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which is all the studios and all the

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networks

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and i'm not i swear i'm not trying to

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sound like a conspiracy theorist that's

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it's just good business for them they

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don't yeah they don't um ensure a

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project that criticizes all their other

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clients so

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we then went and we hired a

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this guy who's a media risk consultant

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which is a thing that i didn't even know

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existed oh yeah and so this guy he's

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been in the industry for a hundred years

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he knew everyone

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and he had personal relationships with

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the in-house counsel at all nine of

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these insurance companies

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and so he set up meetings between

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our lawyers and himself and them to talk

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about the film and say hey what is it

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that you want us to cut out of the film

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because we'll do it if we can cut a few

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scenes and then you're happy to release

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it and it was really as a result of

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those kind of these second-tier meetings

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that it became clear that nobody's going

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to insure the film because of its

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content

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so

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what have we been doing since then

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because we're not just going to be done

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and say oh well i guess nobody can ever

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see the film

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because we have an obligation not only

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to the donors but to the general public

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for whom we work as a educational

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non-profit

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we have we have an obligation to get

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this movie out there so we're kind of in

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a weird mode now of looking at uh sort

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of alternative models

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and one thing we may even do

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is just kind of go cowboy and release it

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independently without any insurance

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leaving ourselves open to liability

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um

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that would require consent of

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of course all of skeptoid's board

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members but all of the individual uh

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donors and granters that funded the film

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yeah so it's it's a it's a giant mess

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it's a giant mess and

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more than once people have said hey you

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know you should have made a movie about

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trying to get this movie released

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because that's even more interesting and

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it's like well yeah that would have been

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a good idea unfortunately we didn't do

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that from the beginning so don't have

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that for you but um

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i i mean i am literally working on it

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almost every day there is

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some new little thing that we're trying

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uh it's incredibly frustrating

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but hey if any of your listeners out

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there has a suggestion get in touch with

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me i'm all ears we want to get this

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thing out there

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yeah and as i can say i've seen the

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rough cut and it's

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it's frightening it's frightening how

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the big studios and the big tv networks

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will get a scientist interview them for

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half an hour then chop out the bits that

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only fit their narrative and it's so

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obvious and it's so bad

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that i think this this documentary is

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very important and i really hope it gets

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out there thank you thank you very much

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and how can people get in touch with you

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brian how can they listen to your

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podcast oh uh well you can listen to uh

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skeptoid podcast of course at

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skeptoid.com

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or wherever you find your podcast uh we

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also we also have some interesting news

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on the podcast though um

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skeptoid is joining uh prx prx for those

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who may not know i know many of your

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listeners are in australia

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um in um in in the u.s we have the

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corporation for public broadcasting uh

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and npr national public radio is a part

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of that and

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many of the most popular podcasts are

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produced by npr

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and or npr radio stations

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um you know radio lab et cetera et

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cetera et cetera

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it's a long list

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and

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all of those are produced by

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radio stations most of them are

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some of them are not some of them are

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part of npr but they're not actually

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produced by a radio station and those

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are all distributed by prx public radio

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exchange

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and since skeptoid media our company

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does not own any radio airwaves

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we would fall under the prx umbrella so

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once we're once that's all done which

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currently is scheduled for a crossover

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at the end of the year so

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january 1st of 2022 you will be finding

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skeptoid on the

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one app

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and uh we should be in the um kind of

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the next level strata of of podcasts

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which is nice because by then it'll be i

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think 16 years in business

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finally after 16 years the podcast takes

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the next the next level step so that's

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super exciting news and it's a major

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major major major project for us to to

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transition the show over

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um we've got new hires for the rest of

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this year it's it's kind of a big deal

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so but it's exciting but yeah skeptoid

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the the if you're subscribed to the show

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that nothing is going to change you

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won't even know what happened

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but skeptoid.com now i've said this many

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times i've written about it that when

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i'm asked by the media to comment on

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something

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first ports of call would be the

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skeptoid archives and folks if you go to

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skeptoid.com you can check out and

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search for

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every skeptical topic you can possibly

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imagine and maybe brian you should do

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another bigfoot episode coming up well

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let's see i did the yowie within the

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what's a new take on bigfoot that i

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haven't covered yet surely there's some

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uh there's some version of it yeah yeah

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crazy man in oregon claims to have a

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bigfoot in his yard that urban myth that

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brian dunning and friend bigfoot friend

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all the way from bend oregon thank you

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very much

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[Music]

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hello this is maynard did you know that

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you could listen to the skeptic zone on

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youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

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also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

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with michelle bickersma and funny

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sketches with richard saunders and a

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just click on the youtube links on the

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[Music]

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hello everyone this is adrian hill from

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canada once again reading out the

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australian skeptics newsletter

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now this newsletter once you subscribe

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at

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skeptics.com.a you will come into your

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this is newsletter number 131 written

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and compiled by tim mendem

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all the stories mentioned in this

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newsletter come with links you can click

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on to get the full story

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hi all it says

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on that topic however we receive regular

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updates of covert related news and

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particularly about the number of noted

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people influencers and shock jocks from

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radio

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who are rabid anti-vaxxers and covet

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deniers until they succumb to the

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disease with typical deathbed

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conversions

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it would be divine justice if it weren't

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also so tragic for their families and

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the huge numbers they lead down the path

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of ignorance and prejudice sometimes

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with their own tragic results

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the fact that a lot of examples of this

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phenomena come from the u.s does not

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mean we don't and will not have such

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results here are lower infection rates

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notwithstanding

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[Music]

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but on a happier note there are the

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announcements of some of the speakers

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for skepticon in november

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read on

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tim

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australian skeptic news skepticon

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wiseman and wiles key speakers

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richard wiseman from the uk and new

578
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zealander of the year susie wiles

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two awesome people i must say are two

580
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key speakers for this year's skepticon

581
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convention to be held on november 20th

582
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to 21st this year's event will be a

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joint venture between australian and new

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zealand skeptics

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held in sydney and wellington the

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convention will feature presentations

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live in person at both venues streamed

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between the two countries and from

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around the world

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note that of course should the current

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situation in sydney regarding coved and

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lockdowns continue then we may be forced

593
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to have an online only convention for

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the sydney component hopefully the same

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won't apply in new zealand

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professor wiseman from london he's an

597
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experimental psychologist and is well

598
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known in skeptical circles he's the

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author of a number of books including

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paranormality a scientific look at the

601
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supernatural

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microbiologist associate professor wiles

603
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is probably one of new zealand's most

604
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famous scientists a regular in media

605
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explaining the details of covid a

606
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science communicator and 2021 new

607
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zealander of the year

608
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other speakers will include

609
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dr alexander panchan moscow

610
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is a computational biologist and member

611
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of the commission on pseudoscience of

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the russian academy of sciences and

613
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author of defense against the dark arts

614
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a guide to the world of paranormal

615
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phenomena that made me think of harry

616
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potter

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annie mccubbin from sydney

618
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is an actor writer director corporate

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communication consultant and coach and

620
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author of the 2021 book why smart women

621
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make bad decisions and how critical

622
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thinking can protect them sounds like an

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excellent topic

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paul willis from sydney is the adjunct

625
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associate professor in paleontology at

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flinders university and one of

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00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:06,000
australia's best known science

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communicators

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[Music]

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details of these amazing speakers and

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ticket prices will be available soon but

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in the meantime please register your

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interest at skepticon.org.au

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so you can receive the latest

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information

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yay the bent spoon nominations

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nominations are now open for the

638
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australian skeptics bent spoon award one

639
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of the least sought after credits in the

640
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skeptical world or any world for that

641
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:37,360
matter

642
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covid

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quote end quote actors claim debunked

644
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abc tv's media watch segment on

645
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anti-vaxxer's claims that patients in a

646
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hospital video are

647
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quote crisis actors end quote

648
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it might surprise you to know that the

649
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anti-vaxxers didn't do their research

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properly

651
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jump to conclusions and then harass the

652
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hospital of all things

653
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media watch did do its research and

654
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vaccines compulsory or conditional

655
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a lengthy but worthwhile piece by simon

656
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longstaff the executive director of the

657
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ethics center on quote one of the most

658
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significant ethical issues to confront

659
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the community in the current phase of

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the coven 19 pandemic end quote

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note that this article appeared

662
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mid-august before some organizations

663
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announced they were making covid

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vaccination compulsory

665
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study religious belief predicts reduced

666
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psychopathy but increased sadism new

667
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research published in the journal of

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humanistic psychology sheds light on how

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different types of personalities are

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related to different types of

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supernatural beliefs

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in the study 199 adults completed online

673
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assessments of narcissism

674
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machiavellianism

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psychopathy sadism belief in

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supernatural phenomenon and belief in

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science

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those with higher levels of religious

679
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beliefs tended to have lower levels of

680
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psychopathy but higher levels of sadism

681
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those who believed in psychokinesis

682
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tended to have lower levels of

683
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machiavellianism and those who believed

684
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in paranormal perceptions such as

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precognition and haunting tended to have

686
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higher levels of psychopathy

687
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,039
why do people really seek out psychics

688
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:37,120
journalist gary nunn looks into the

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psychic industry and finds some benefits

690
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see our in-depth review of his book the

691
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psychic tests

692
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in the september issue of the skeptic

693
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even richard saunders gets a mention

694
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documentary

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medical evidence for supernatural

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miracles

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a documentary titled send proof to be

698
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,400
released in the us's month examines

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medical evidence of miracle healings

700
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,520
quote to challenge skeptics and close

701
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,919
the gap between the hard sciences and

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the supernatural end quote the film

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00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,600
quote

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00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,000
explores the ways in which miracle

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claims can be collaborated by looking at

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x-rays mri scans and other follow-up

707
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medical examinations end quote

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the filmmaker interviews evangelical

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scholars prominent pentecostal and

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charismatic christians and skeptics

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including james randy it was randy's

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last film appearance before his death

713
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:36,640
last year it's very sad

714
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,000
podcast this much is true

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radio national program that ranges from

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quote fringe ideas to full-blown

717
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conspiracy theories we dive into the

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rabbit hole to find out why it's so

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human to fall for them

720
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,360
we hear what motivates those who spread

721
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,919
misinformation and what is it like for

722
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the families when someone they love goes

723
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all in on a cult

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we meet people who got out of q anon and

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learn how to immunize against false

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information end quote

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the september 2021 issue of the skeptic

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will be out next week digital version

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print version a little longer as the

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pandemic has impacted on our printer's

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operations

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it has a major feature on some recent

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publications and one old one including

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the controversial book dark emu and the

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in-depth response by skeptics and

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skeptics as to where there might be

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problems

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plus a whole range of stuff on aspects

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of religions myths optimistic

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paranormalists mass hysteria and a lot

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to our shop to sign up for a hard copy

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for stories or want to contribute to

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skeptics communications such as the

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magazine or facebook page or just have

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something you want to get off your chest

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00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:26,960
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items of interest

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00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,080
listicle

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00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:52,880
11 of the best documentaries about the

763
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paranormal on netflix

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on netflix is a wide variety of titles

765
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:01,679
quote that force viewers to question

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00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:04,640
what may lie or lurk beyond what we can

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understand as humans end quote mostly

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pro-paranormal with a lot of ghostly

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scares thrown in but a few that stand

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back attached to investigate phenomena

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east london church haunted by three

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separate ghosts

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a church in east london which seems to

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00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,960
have more than its fair share of phantom

775
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occupants is saint mary's church in

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wanstead which was built more than 230

777
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,399
years ago and is apparently home to

778
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three separate apparitions

779
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the most famous ghost is that of

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notorious 18th century highwayman dick

781
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turpin

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1739

783
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and the church wasn't built until 50

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years later

785
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i wonder why dick couldn't find a church

786
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of his own time to haunt

787
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,000
fortune tellers take your cash

788
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,159
and don't show up who would have thought

789
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there were scammers among the psychic

790
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,480
community there are some hints here on

791
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how to avoid being ripped off but

792
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essentially the best one is just don't

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do it

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[Music]

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and that wraps it up for this newsletter

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[Music]

822
00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:44,960
now it's time once again to dip to dive

823
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to jump into the trove archives at

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trove.nla.gov.a you

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those digitized online resources from

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the australian government and the

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national library of australia newspapers

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gazettes clippings magazines

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and so on going back for decades and

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centuries

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and this week keeping up with our

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paranormal or

833
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broadly supernatural theme i thought

834
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would look at

835
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psychics or the paranormal

836
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spoons yes well primarily because of

837
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spoon bending that craze of the 1970s

838
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that convinced a lot of people there

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were such things as psychic powers

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but as i always find when i'm looking in

841
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:28,799
the trove archives

842
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,760
the results coming back

843
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:34,000
can be very different

844
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,440
but this week to be a little different i

845
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,440
thought we would raid the american

846
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:38,960
archives let's see

847
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:42,159
what uncle sam has been digitizing and

848
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,250
archiving

849
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,399
[Music]

850
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:48,640
and our first search return brings us to

851
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,399
the big spring herald from texas in 1987

852
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,960
on the 8th of october

853
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,640
psychic occurrence

854
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:58,960
hard for scientists to explain

855
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,000
edinburgh scotland associated press

856
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,000
scientists who investigate such

857
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,799
mysteries as psychic spoon bending there

858
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,399
you are spoons

859
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:10,639
mind reading and things that go bump in

860
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,760
the night

861
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,000
wound up at an international conference

862
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,599
saturday saying

863
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,320
there's something out there but they

864
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,520
aren't sure what there is now enough

865
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,399
information from research to suggest

866
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,040
some odd things do happen but there's no

867
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,919
cohesive theory as to why and how they

868
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,800
happen

869
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,520
said american professor robert l morris

870
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,440
of edinburgh university

871
00:34:40,030 --> 00:34:37,440
morris 45

872
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,040
britain's first professor of

873
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:42,879
parapsychology said in an interview that

874
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,760
his science deals with curious things

875
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,079
that aren't explained we don't know what

876
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,159
the outcome of many investigations will

877
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,480
be and if it turns out that psychic

878
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,040
phenomena merely the application of

879
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,920
known physics and biology and can be

880
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,320
explained in ordinary terms

881
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:03,599
well that's fine he said morris formerly

882
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:06,640
of syracuse university new york

883
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:09,520
joined 140 other scientists in the field

884
00:35:16,270 --> 00:35:12,800
to discuss their work in edinburgh at a

885
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,280
five-day 30th annual conference of the

886
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,960
parapsychological association a note of

887
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,200
caution about believing fantastic

888
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,160
stories was sounded by dr john belloff a

889
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,920
retired edinburgh university

890
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,560
psychologist who organized the meeting

891
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:31,760
with morris i consider that excessive

892
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,320
credulity does far more harm than

893
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,560
excessive incredulity

894
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,839
said belov

895
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,160
in his address on the credibility of

896
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,079
psychic claims

897
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,240
belov said there were fewer cases around

898
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,560
of alleged psychic activity than there

899
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,760
used to be

900
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,920
he said that urigella

901
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:52,320
who gained fame with his claimed ability

902
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,359
to bend spoons by thought alone has

903
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:58,160
taken a terrible battering and the mini

904
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,359
gellers have become even scarcer

905
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,680
but from time to time there were amazing

906
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,800
claims

907
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,160
belov said

908
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,320
our ancestors called them miracles or

909
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,800
witchcraft but modern researchers should

910
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,920
adopt a neutral term such as

911
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,000
extreme phenomena

912
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,079
he said

913
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,720
if such extreme phenomena exist

914
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:22,960
it is intellectually dishonest as well

915
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,880
as cowardly to discount them below said

916
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,480
morris said investigators of the

917
00:36:33,069 --> 00:36:31,040
paranormal have a handy short name for

918
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,079
the apparently

919
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,480
inexplicable they call it psy

920
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,640
which rhymes with

921
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:40,880
psy

922
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:44,240
psi which is spelt p s i

923
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,839
extraordinary perception or esp

924
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,160
which is knowing things you couldn't

925
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,720
have known by usual means

926
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,480
like sensing the death of a relative at

927
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:56,640
the moment of death or dreaming of a

928
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,359
plane crash that happens the next day

929
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,599
i know of an edinburgh woman who left

930
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,880
her at work

931
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:04,640
suddenly because she felt something was

932
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,680
wrong at home and on arriving there she

933
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,599
found one of her children had been sent

934
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:11,599
home from school ill

935
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,200
morris said the power of mind over mata

936
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,760
like spoon bending or rolling a string

937
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,480
of winning combinations with dice by

938
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:22,800
apparently willpower is called

939
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,880
psychokinesis in a pk case cited by alok

940
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:29,680
sekh lani of galwal university in

941
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,880
shringar india a himalayan shaman or

942
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:35,359
faith healer persuaded one group of

943
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,880
wheat seeds to germinate more abundantly

944
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,880
than another group seemingly by

945
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,680
concentrating her thoughts on them

946
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,560
and under test conditions robert cornell

947
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:48,480
a retired physicist at pittsburgh

948
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,440
university and the association's first

949
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,480
president told the associated press

950
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:56,800
we don't have any idea what we're doing

951
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,400
all we know is that something occurs

952
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,000
and again

953
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,560
that comes to us from the year

954
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,520
1987.

955
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,079
so in the vicinity of

956
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,320
35 years ago

957
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,920
and uh

958
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:16,160
we comment again how's that working out

959
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,200
for them

960
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,760
something like 35 years later

961
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,920
you'd think they'd have some more

962
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,760
concrete results

963
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,599
and now from more or less the same time

964
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,320
period in 1985

965
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:31,440
the 24th of july

966
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,480
from the hokima evening telegram

967
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,160
hokum in new york

968
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,480
and if i've got that name

969
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:39,920
if i've pronounced that slightly and

970
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,720
correctly i'm sorry and a very different

971
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:44,480
angle here

972
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,720
soviets winning the mind race and this

973
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,880
column seems to be called the washington

974
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:52,320
merry-go-round

975
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,520
by jack anderson and dale van atter

976
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,599
there are new developments on the

977
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:00,400
psychic warfare front the soviets are

978
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,480
outspending us by at least 70 to 1

979
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,640
in occult research

980
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,960
most responsible scientists take a dim

981
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:10,720
view of such self-proclaimed

982
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:13,520
parapsychological practitioners

983
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,400
as mind readers voodoo pin stickers and

984
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,960
psychic spoon benders

985
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,720
we've reported in the past on such

986
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:21,920
obvious

987
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:24,800
ludicrous concepts as the quote

988
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,960
anti-missile time warp machine end quote

989
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:30,960
the pentagon once considered developing

990
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:33,440
this contraption to blast incoming

991
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:36,960
missiles back into a prehistoric era

992
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:39,760
where they would theoretically harm only

993
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,359
a few dinosaurs or cro-magnons for years

994
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,839
the pentagon psychic warriors were

995
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,640
allowed to pursue any nutty will of the

996
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:50,800
wisp that flew by

997
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,599
with annual budgets reportedly as high

998
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:55,359
as 6 million

999
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,400
no weapons were ever developed of course

1000
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:00,800
and now the budget has dwindled to less

1001
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:03,839
than 1 million for exploration of

1002
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:07,119
potential capabilities of the human mind

1003
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,400
meanwhile

1004
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,800
the kremlin has been working overtime to

1005
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:12,800
open a military

1006
00:40:18,670 --> 00:40:16,319
psycho gap the latest top-secret cia

1007
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,680
review of soviet efforts in

1008
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:20,319
parapsychology

1009
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:23,359
estimate that it would take a budget of

1010
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,000
anywhere from

1011
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:27,599
500 million

1012
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:30,960
to 1 billion for the united states to

1013
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,760
play catch-up operating at much lower

1014
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,079
labor costs the soviets are probably

1015
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:37,760
spending 70

1016
00:40:43,710 --> 00:40:41,119
million to 80 million a year

1017
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,720
but possibly as much as

1018
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,760
350 million

1019
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,160
the delightful irony of the soviets

1020
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,960
parapsychology extravagance

1021
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,359
is that it began as a response to the

1022
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:56,800
perceived threat of u.s progress in the

1023
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,760
art

1024
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:59,520
several years ago the french reported

1025
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,560
that u.s psychics had communicated with

1026
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,280
the nuclear submarine nautilus via

1027
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,800
mental telepathy

1028
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,880
this gave soviet scientists the

1029
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,800
ammunition they needed to lobby for

1030
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,319
research funds

1031
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,800
even though the reports were later

1032
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,920
exposed

1033
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:17,599
as a hoax

1034
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,200
western scientists may chuckle

1035
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:23,520
the soviets take their psychic warfare

1036
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,359
experiments seriously in 1977 a los

1037
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,000
angeles times reporter in moscow was

1038
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,400
arrested by the kgb and charged with

1039
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,720
obtaining a secret state document that

1040
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,960
revealed the existence of

1041
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,040
parapsychological

1042
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:42,000
research at several laboratories in the

1043
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,040
soviet union the cia currently estimates

1044
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:48,160
that research is being conducted in at

1045
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:52,400
least two dozen labs in 10 soviet cities

1046
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:55,520
14 in moscow alone the experiments range

1047
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:56,319
from

1048
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:00,160
dowsing for minerals and oil to testing

1049
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,760
remote psychological monitors that are

1050
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,319
supposed to measure the heartbeat and

1051
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,480
breathing rate of persons

1052
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:10,800
thousands of miles away

1053
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:13,680
from there according to intelligence

1054
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,800
reports soviet scientists hope to be

1055
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,720
able to affect the heartbeat and

1056
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:20,319
respiration of

1057
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,240
far away victims much in the manner of

1058
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,400
haitian witch doctors

1059
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,640
the soviets have even claimed

1060
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:31,359
secretly that several experiments were

1061
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:34,800
successful with targets nearly suffering

1062
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:38,880
heart attacks or suffocation in 1977

1063
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:42,560
soviet emigre august stern told u.s

1064
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:46,079
intelligence agents of his work on quote

1065
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:49,280
psychic energy end quote in a laboratory

1066
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,440
at science city in novosiblisk siberia

1067
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,000
he said 60 scientists in special

1068
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:58,560
department number eight of the institute

1069
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,839
of automation and electrometry

1070
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,520
had quote

1071
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,400
unlimited funds and quote for such

1072
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,560
experiments as trying to hypnotize

1073
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,800
people from a distance and giving

1074
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,200
kittens electric shocks to see if their

1075
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,599
mothers showed any reaction

1076
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,400
three floors away

1077
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:21,440
oh dear the lab was transferred to a kgb

1078
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:25,280
facility in moscow in 1969 he said

1079
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:28,160
how serious does u.s intelligent take

1080
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:29,119
all this

1081
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:32,720
in 1972 the defense intelligence agency

1082
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,440
said the soviets might one day be able

1083
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,160
to learn the contents of secret u.s

1084
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,960
documents by psychic techniques

1085
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,440
make us weapons malfunction

1086
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,440
by negative thinking

1087
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:48,160
and even brainwash or disable american

1088
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:53,280
leaders by willpower a 1978 cia study

1089
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,359
which cost 100 000 was more cautious

1090
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,920
but it still warned that the soviets may

1091
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,640
have tested and developed second or

1092
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,319
third generation

1093
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,000
psychic weapons

1094
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,960
so the psycho gap widens

1095
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,359
can we shrink it

1096
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:12,560
so that was the washington

1097
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,440
merry-go-round and what a merry-go-round

1098
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,560
it was

1099
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,119
let me see 1985.

1100
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,400
um well let's hope those soviets haven't

1101
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:24,720
developed their psychic warfare

1102
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:27,599
any further in all the years since

1103
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,640
now next entry comes from 1987. what was

1104
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,800
it about the 80s

1105
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:35,280
syracuse herald journal from new york

1106
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,400
and published

1107
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,800
on the 20th of may

1108
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,760
psychic spoon bender credits

1109
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,760
vegetarian diet

1110
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,560
london a psychic who claims to bend

1111
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:48,800
spoons just by thinking

1112
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:51,760
bend spoon says giving up meat

1113
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,720
dramatically boosted his cutlery warping

1114
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,079
abilities

1115
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,640
urigella told woman's world magazine it

1116
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,640
took him five minutes to bend a spoon

1117
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,280
ten years ago but after he stopped

1118
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,280
eating animal products spoon bending

1119
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,240
became just one minute's work

1120
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,480
he was quoted as saying in the latest

1121
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:12,560
edition of the weekly magazine published

1122
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:15,599
today on a good day he can perform the

1123
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,520
feat in quote just seconds and quote he

1124
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,040
was quoted as saying

1125
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,599
i believe that everyone should take care

1126
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,440
of themselves because if you look after

1127
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,599
your body physically you not only cut

1128
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,599
down on the risk of disease but you'll

1129
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,000
be taking care of your mind as well he

1130
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:33,920
was quoted as saying

1131
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,640
the associated press

1132
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,640
now let's step back in time a decade to

1133
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:40,560
1976

1134
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:44,640
the 24th of july which was a saturday

1135
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,599
las vegas sun big shout out to celestia

1136
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,599
ward in las vegas

1137
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,520
unusual movie

1138
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,760
supernatural studied

1139
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:56,400
since the beginning of recorded history

1140
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,319
there has been continual mention of

1141
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,680
unusual

1142
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,040
spiritual

1143
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,880
psychic and

1144
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,680
supernatural events in literature

1145
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:09,280
stories about

1146
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,480
the world beyond and the supernatural

1147
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:14,400
have abounded

1148
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:17,680
in sun classic pictures the amazing

1149
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:20,800
world of psychic phenomena coming to fox

1150
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,440
theater and skyway driving is a

1151
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:24,960
docudrama

1152
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,240
hosted and narrated by raymond burr the

1153
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:30,800
audience is afforded an opportunity to

1154
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:34,000
view the world of the unknown armed with

1155
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,200
facts

1156
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,800
actual documented events real mediums

1157
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:40,560
are seen as they

1158
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,440
tap

1159
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:43,839
their psychic powers in the presence of

1160
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,200
cameras the feature film boldly explores

1161
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,200
many of the unexplained mysteries of

1162
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,680
life and includes some of the most

1163
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,079
incredible displays of psychic power

1164
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:57,280
ever filmed host narrator raymond burr

1165
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:00,960
probes for answers to such questions as

1166
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,240
is it really possible to bend metal just

1167
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,720
by thinking about it can someone put a

1168
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,119
picture on film just by staring at the

1169
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,240
camera are psychics really able to solve

1170
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,880
crimes can we accurately predict the

1171
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:15,839
future

1172
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,800
is there life after death and if so

1173
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,960
what will it be like major research

1174
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,040
centers including duke university

1175
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,359
stanford research center and the

1176
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,680
university of california participate in

1177
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:29,920
experiments designed to reveal

1178
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,520
the depth of man's inner powers

1179
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,760
great care was taken to authenticate all

1180
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:37,680
footage presented in the film

1181
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,559
much of what is shown has never before

1182
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:43,680
been seen in public in the film uri

1183
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:47,040
geller the well-known israeli psychic

1184
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,400
bends a spoon with only his mental

1185
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,960
powers controlling the kinetic energy

1186
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,040
edgar cayce's amazing

1187
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,920
psychic powers are shown healing the ill

1188
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,319
from thousands of miles away

1189
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,000
and ted cirrus a former bellhop

1190
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,800
photographs his own thoughts

1191
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,119
on unexposed film

1192
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:11,520
these are just a few of the amazing

1193
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,720
discoveries retold recounted researched

1194
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:16,400
and documented in

1195
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:20,480
the amazing world of psychic phenomena

1196
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,440
with a

1197
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,240
you are here feeling the audience is

1198
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:26,480
able to actually become participants

1199
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,680
watching tests taking place

1200
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,760
and i happen to have a copy of that

1201
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:34,079
movie in the archives my personal

1202
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,440
archives

1203
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,480
and yeah it just doesn't live up to the

1204
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,480
hype you might be able to find a copy of

1205
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:43,119
that for yourself on youtube i think

1206
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,440
way back there from 1976

1207
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,200
and finally we head back to the 80s one

1208
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,280
more time 1986

1209
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:54,240
the greenville record argus september

1210
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,440
the 16th

1211
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:57,760
greenville pennsylvania

1212
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,200
video disproves psychics claim

1213
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,000
pittsburgh associated press

1214
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,200
a psychic who admitted using illusion to

1215
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,559
bend spoons

1216
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,440
still insists he can tell the future and

1217
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,000
predicted a major earthquake will rock

1218
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:17,520
california in two years jason michaels

1219
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:20,400
who claims to have been a psychic for 15

1220
00:49:25,549 --> 00:49:23,359
years said the earthquake will hit on

1221
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,559
may 14

1222
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,559
1988 and after i read this i'll have a

1223
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,480
quick look to see what happened

1224
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,400
the prediction came after scholars

1225
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:34,640
showed a videotape monday

1226
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,440
to discredit michael's claims about

1227
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,520
bending spoons

1228
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,000
i admit at certain times i use trickery

1229
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,559
in the lab but not all the time

1230
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,079
michael said

1231
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,599
they're trying to take a spoon-bending

1232
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,760
trick and saying this guy's a fake

1233
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:51,599
they're ignoring the psychic ability to

1234
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:55,359
see the future michaels 32 of grove city

1235
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,400
pa

1236
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,800
appeared at a news conference with

1237
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,440
richard bush and other members of the

1238
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,440
paranormal investigating committee of

1239
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,559
pittsburgh

1240
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,400
we see no evidence of any psychic

1241
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,119
ability he used trickery and deception

1242
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,000
said bush a mentalist and magician you

1243
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,480
are not a real psychic you do not have

1244
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,359
paranormal occult or supernatural powers

1245
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,599
the committee comprising professors from

1246
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,359
the university of pittsburgh and other

1247
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,160
officials has made a standing ten

1248
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,319
thousand dollar offer to anyone who can

1249
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,520
prove psychic power michaels twice

1250
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:31,760
appeared before the panel in february

1251
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:35,119
and he was filmed bending a spoon and a

1252
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,920
key

1253
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,559
using the videotape as evidence bush

1254
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,800
said michael's bent the objects with his

1255
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:42,000
hands

1256
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:43,839
instead of his mind

1257
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,559
what we have seen as a trick the spoon

1258
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,720
and the key were already bent

1259
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,119
bush said what he tried to get from us

1260
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,359
is scientific validation he got

1261
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,920
publicity but he doesn't get scientific

1262
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,160
validation michaels has claimed he

1263
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,000
predicted the plane crash that killed

1264
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,880
248 u.s servicemen in gander

1265
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,880
newfoundland and the explosion of the

1266
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,720
space shuttle challenger

1267
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:09,119
my ability to predict the future is true

1268
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,480
michael said

1269
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,119
sometimes i admit to being a magician i

1270
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,440
have mixed illusion and magic with my

1271
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,520
psychic ability when asked to bend the

1272
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:19,760
spoon mentally for reporters michaels

1273
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,400
declined by saying i'm in a room full of

1274
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,119
negative vibes he said his manager has

1275
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,440
been booking him as a magician instead

1276
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,160
of a psychic because the ability seems

1277
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:32,800
to come and go michael's said however

1278
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,200
that business hasn't dropped off members

1279
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,359
of the panel say a distinction must be

1280
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,440
drawn between an entertainer who uses

1281
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,359
magic and illusion

1282
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,960
and the person who claims to have

1283
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,359
psychic powers there are many gullible

1284
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:47,760
people who are making major lifestyle

1285
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,480
decisions based on predictions that they

1286
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,040
pay money for said mark king

1287
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,359
a psychotherapist specializing in

1288
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,640
hypnosis

1289
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,640
michaels has made a counter offer of

1290
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:00,960
five thousand dollars to any magician

1291
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:03,760
who can match his feats but refused to

1292
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,280
pay bush after he bent a spoon and a key

1293
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,920
he didn't duplicate everything i do

1294
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,680
michael said

1295
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,400
and i wonder whatever happened to

1296
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,480
this fellow jason michaels but let's

1297
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,160
have a quick look at his claim that an

1298
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,240
earthquake would hit

1299
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:22,720
where is it now an earthquake

1300
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,440
will hit on may 14 1988 all right and it

1301
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:29,359
looks like the only one of

1302
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,240
note happened in indonesia a 6.9

1303
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,839
undoubtedly there were many other

1304
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,760
smaller ones especially in california

1305
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:39,119
which there are

1306
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,790
and there we are some results coming

1307
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,720
from american newspapers this time when

1308
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,400
we look up the word psychic and

1309
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,280
paranormal and the word spoon and as you

1310
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,680
can see you get a very mixed

1311
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,559
uh returns very mixed results but spoon

1312
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,000
bending is a lot of fun

1313
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,280
i've been doing it now for over 20 years

1314
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,359
and it's always fun to catch up people

1315
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:09,839
and amaze them and bemuse them and

1316
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:12,400
bewilder them

1317
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,920
as with any good magic trick i guess

1318
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,440
and it's interesting when i do spoon

1319
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:19,760
bending for school children's when i do

1320
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,480
the live mystery investigator show

1321
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:23,920
because

1322
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,720
the kids have no idea what spoon bending

1323
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:28,800
is they've never seen it or heard it and

1324
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:33,910
their teachers also are clueless as to

1325
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,559
what spoon bending is

1326
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,800
yes yuri gala you've really made a huge

1327
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,319
impact on the world

1328
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,920
but i really can't knock spoon bending

1329
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,520
it's a great trick and one of the

1330
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,520
happiest memories of my life

1331
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,839
is the time that i spent

1332
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,920
half an hour or so

1333
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,839
with james randy between

1334
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:53,599
talks at a conference and we both sat

1335
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:56,960
down and swapped spoon bending stories

1336
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,680
and you too can find many unforgettable

1337
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:01,839
things if you go to

1338
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,960
the archives of digitized newspapers no

1339
00:54:10,990 --> 00:54:06,640
matter where you are from around the

1340
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:23,690
[Music]

1341
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:26,069
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1342
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,520
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1343
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,520
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1344
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,240
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1360
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,280
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1361
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,760
canberra skeptics proudly presents

1362
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,000
skepticism in europe

1363
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,920
and this is tonight

1364
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,640
here in australia

1365
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,559
so if you're listening in australia it's

1366
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:18,960
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1367
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,240
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1368
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,359
sydney melbourne brisbane time

1369
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:27,599
and it's a zoom talk by claire

1370
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,599
klingenberg oh claire i met claire

1371
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,000
once or twice maybe in new york i

1372
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,760
remember meeting claire what a wonderful

1373
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,119
person she is

1374
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,799
with much of the skeptical movement

1375
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,200
coming from the english-speaking world

1376
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:42,960
it is very easy to forget that there are

1377
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,319
many incredibly passionate skeptics and

1378
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,079
skeptical groups throughout the world

1379
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:51,200
who are making invaluable contributions

1380
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,640
to the movement

1381
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,119
in this presentation claire klingenberg

1382
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,040
president of the european council of

1383
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,119
skeptical organizations will be talking

1384
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,680
about skepticism in europe including

1385
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:03,760
what skeptical groups have been doing

1386
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:06,960
and what notable successes and failures

1387
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,160
have been to check out that talk to

1388
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,040
find out how you can join in just head

1389
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,400
for canberraskeptics.org

1390
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:18,319
and now it's time to hear from nathan

1391
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:21,920
eggins who will present his new hit song

1392
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,040
the sound a duck makes and until next

1393
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:27,040
week this is richard saunders signing

1394
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,119
off from sydney australia

1395
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,160
greetings this is nathan eggins aka

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conspiracy of one and i have a brand new

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song to share with you all

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the sound a duck makes is a funky bluesy

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number taking aim at wellness warriors

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and those who present themselves as

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medical professionals when they aren't

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and features the voices of a few

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familiar skeptics

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find more of my music and tell me what

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you think of the new song by visiting

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but enough from me

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take it away me

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[Music]

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people playing doctor

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is a growing trend

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using words like toxins

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[Music]

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caution is the box we put unproven

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treatments in

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when tested proved to work we call it

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medicine

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[Music]

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but this simple doctorate is not the way

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they operate

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[Music]

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behind their sanguine smile is nothing

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[Music]

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make

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[Music]

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science is their greatest ally if it

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supports their claim

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but a blind or spiteful evil if they

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cast out in shame

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and of course they're never the ones to

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blame it's a conspiracy of the state

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[Music]

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and white coats and stethoscopes they

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camouflage themselves

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to hunt the vulnerable and gullible

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gazelle to strip them out there well

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[Music]

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and trust them with your help

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they'll hang you up there by your ankles

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and they'll shake

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we have a word for them

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what sound does a doc make

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my way

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anything

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but after all

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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them

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[Music]

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i think it

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i feel means gonna pray

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[Music]

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and it may be more than just your

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[Music]

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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